SLUUG Steering Committee Agenda - 27 August for SEPTEMBER
NOTE: Minutes posted on the Wiki are always unofficial.
Schedules for upcoming presentations are always tentative.
(Some more tentative than others!)
Location
Saint Louis Bread Company,
(at Old Olive and Olive),
10550 Old Olive Street Road,
Creve Coeur, MO 63141
Date and Time
August 2018
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Tuesday, August 27, 2018
6:30 PM -
Attendees
Listed alphabetically by last name:
* Don Ellis
* David Forrest
* Ken Johnson
* Lee Lammert
* Gary Meyer
* Stan Reichardt
* Steve Stegmann
* Andrew St. Clair
Agenda Changes
Secretary Report
Don Ellis
2018-02-06
Stan: Instead of having just one individual edit wiki minutes, could we routinely round robin updating minutes?
Unattributed consensus: Good idea. Let's do it.
2018-04-02
2018-04-30 for MAY
2018-06-04
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
Treasurer Report
Balance as of 30 June | $4,771.45 |
Balance as of 31 August | $4,771.45 |
Calendar Report
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This is a calendar of technical events in the Greater St. Louis area and surrounding regions.
Not all events are official/sponsored SLUUG events.
Items have been added and corrected by Stan R, Gary Meyer and Don Ellis.
Items listed on this calendar feed the ANNOUNCE weekly mailing.
Events on HIATUS are NOT counted! Historical items are NOT counted! Only face to face meetings are counted!
Count of number of events listed, each month, as of end of August 2018:
Year | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
2011 | ? | ? | 105 | 108 | 103 | 117 | 105 | 105 | 105 | 113 | 103 | 96 | 2011 |
2012 | 110 | 104 | 122 | 123 | 138 | 111 | 99 | 124 | 122 | 133 | 114 | 111 | 2012 |
2013 | 123 | 128 | 136 | 147 | 144 | 146 | 139 | 119 | 145 | 167 | 153 | 140 | 2013 |
2014 | 143 | 159 | 174 | 165 | 188 | 165 | 132 | 136 | 173 | 165 | 141 | 107 | 2014 |
2015 | 171 | 179 | 177 | 183 | 176 | 168 | 162 | 176 | 206 | 294 | 236 | 197 | 2015 |
2016 | 260 | 277 | 314 | 231 | 183 | 191 | 157 | 166 | 222 | 224 | 212 | 157 | 2016 |
2017 | 133 | 141 | 177 | 168 | 137 | 143 | 124 | 158 | 173 | 163 | 168 | 129 | 2017 |
2018 | 165 | 177 | 166 | 179 | 162 | 165 | xxx | xxx | xxx | xxx | xxx | xxx | 2018 |
??? - numbers not yet recorded.
xxx - Future Numbers.
Stopped counting general StL County Library events in May 2016.
Re-counted April 2016 without library events.
Attendance Report
Initial mail list subscriptions are prompted by attendance sheets.
Group leaders are responsible for taking attendance at meetings.
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Attendance numbers, as of end of August 2018:
Year | | | | | | | '16 | | | | | | | | | | | '17 | | | | | | | '18 | | | | | | | | Year |
Meeting | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Meeting |
Steercom | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 7 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 8 | 6 | 8 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 7 | 3 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | Steercom |
SLACC | 8 | 10 | 7 | 7 | 12 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 7 | 7 | 13 | 7 | 12 | 10 | 5 | 7 | (10) | 6 | 7 | 8 | 11 | ?? | 6 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 6 | SLACC |
SLUUG | 17 | 14 | 23 | 17 | 17 | 17 | 13 | 21 | (?) | 15 | 13 | 14 | 20 | 17 | 24 | 17 | 10 | 13 | 7 | 13 | 12 | 21 | 14 | 16 | 14 | 13 | 13 | 18 | 15 | 11 | 8 | 15 | SLUUG |
STLLUG | 11 | 12 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 15 | 11 | 15 | 18 | 13 | 13 | 18 | 14 | 15 | 18 | 14 | 15 | 14 | 18 | 16 | 16 | 12 | (27) | ?? | 12 | 8 | 13 | 11 | 13 | 10 | 11 | 15 | STLLUG |
HZWLUG | 8 | 8 | 10 | 12 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 7 | 10 | 8 | - | 8 | 9 | 10 | ? | 7 | 7 | 8 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 5 | 7 | 9 | 8 | 11 | 8 | 11 | 11 | 9 | 10 | 12 | HZWLUG |
sLUGs | 5 | 3 | 5 | (3) | 7 | 7 | - | - | - | 5 | (3) | 7 | 9 | 6 | 10 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 3 | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | sLUGs |
SNUG SuSE | 4 | 9 | 6 | 7 | 8 | ? | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 9 | - | 12 | 9 | 9 | 7 | 6 | 8 | 5 | 8 | 8 | 6 | 8 | 12 | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | SNUG SuSe |
() - Number in parentheses is head count.
xx - attendance was taken, numbers not yet recorded.
?? - Question marks indicate attendance not taken or sheet missing.
* - sLUGs was STL Linux Users Group for Seniors with initial meeting 8 February 2015. Discontinued October 2017.
* - SNUG SuSe was STL Novell Users Group with lunch meeting. Discontinued December 2017.
- - dash indicates no meeting.
Mailing List Report
Year | | | | | | | '16 | | | | | | | | | | | '17 | | | | | | '18 | | | | | | | | Year |
List | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | List |
ANNOUNCE | 603 | 608 | 608 | 607 | 606 | 607 | 596 | 596 | 591 | 588 | 585 | 582 | 580 | 575 | 570 | 569 | 569 | 569 | 568 | 566 | 562 | 562 | 559 | 556 | 544 | 543 | 543 | 545 | 542 | 535 | 534 | ANNOUNCE |
DISCUSS | 208 | 206 | 204 | 201 | 201 | 201 | 203 | 202 | 202 | 200 | 199 | 197 | 196 | 193 | 190 | 191 | 192 | 191 | 192 | 191 | 189 | 188 | 189 | 188 | 188 | 187 | 187 | 187 | 187 | 187 | 185 | DISCUSS |
STEERCOM | 37 | 39 | 39 | 39 | 39 | 39 | 38 | 38 | 38 | 37 | 37 | 36 | 36 | 35 | 34 | 34 | 34 | 34 | 34 | 33 | 33 | 33 | 33 | 33 | 33 | 33 | 33 | 32 | 32 | 32 | 32 | STEERCOM |
SYSADMIN | 20 | 22 | 21 | 21 | 21 | 21 | 21 | 22 | 21 | 21 | 21 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 23 | 23 | 23 | 23 | 23 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | SYSADMIN |
Numbers as end of each month.
Blocking of mailing list attachments not completely configured yet. This will be much easier to do on Amber.
ANNOUNCE mailing list.
Command used to generate these (as root on Bud):
xxx - numbers not yet recorded.
- - dash indicates list did not previously exist.
Other Kinda Stuff Report
Year | '15 | | | | | '16 | | | | | | | | | '17 | | | | | | | | '18 | | | | | | Year |
Other | Jun | Dec | Jan | Apr | Jul | Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Other |
MEETUP | 92 | 172 | 179 | xxx | xxx | xxx | 259 | xxx | 273 | 285 | 291 | 299 | 301 | 302 | 304 | 315 | 319 | 325 | 336 | 340 | 348 | 360 | 367 | 372 | 375 | 377 | 385 | 390 | MEETUP |
GOOGLE+ | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | GOOGLE+ |
YOUTUBE | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? | YOUTUBE |
xxx - numbers not recorded.
??? - don't know where or how to get a count for this.
- - dash indicates list did not previously exist.
We do NOT know how/what to count in YouTube Nor do we know how to metric videos.
We do NOT know how/what to count in Google+ Nor do we know how to metric videos.
No way to change meeting dates or set temporary hiatus in Google+
August 2018
August 2018
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Red Hat Quarterly LUG - August 2
Containers in clouds
Will copy from SLUUG calendar
Also had truck-based road show, running Steam VR demos, under Windows.
SLACC - August 2
SLACC usually holds a Linux configuration workshop - no presentation
SLUUG - August 8
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VENUE Graybar Electric Company Inc., 11885 Lackland Road, St. Louis MO 63146
BASE (Personal Computing):
MAIN (Enterprise Computing):
STLLUG - August 16
STLLUG is the St. Louis Linux Users Group.
Hazelwood - August 28
HZWLUG topics are usually determined by attendees. We usually cover more than one topic.
VENUE St. Louis County Library Rock Road Branch (will change yet again next month)
Web site lists a number of topics to provide general directions from which to take off
At least one new attendee showed up last month; will come back this meeting to learn about getting a Linux laptop
STEERCOM - August 27
Schedule
September 2018
September 2018
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Labor Day - September 3
Gary changes batteries on his smoke alarms - September 3
SLACC - September 6
SLACC usually holds a Linux configuration workshop - no presentation
SLUUG - September 12
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VENUE Graybar Electric Company Inc., 11885 Lackland Road, St. Louis MO 63146
BASE (Personal Computing):
MAIN (Enterprise Computing):
STLLUG - September 20
STLLUG is the St. Louis Linux Users Group.
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NOTICE Location change due to wedding reception preempting our use.
USUAL Nick and Elena's Pizzeria, 3007 Woodson Rd, Overland, MO 63114
VENUE Graybar Electric Company Inc., 11885 Lackland Road, St. Louis MO 63146
Ask Nick & Elena to put up note on door announcing LUG venue change
TOPIC: Stan thinks Chuck could continue presentation from last month
Hazelwood - September 25
HZWLUG topics are usually determined by attendees. We usually cover more than one topic.
October 2018
October 2018
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STEERCOM - October 1
SLACC - October 4
SLACC usually holds a Linux configuration workshop - no presentation
Columbus Day - October 8
SLUUG - October 10
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VENUE Graybar Electric Company Inc., 11885 Lackland Road, St. Louis MO 63146
BASE (Personal Computing):
MAIN (Enterprise Computing):
STLLUG - October 18
STLLUG is the St. Louis Linux Users Group.
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VENUE Nick and Elena's Pizzeria, 3007 Woodson Rd, Overland, MO 63114
TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD)
Hazelwood - October 25 (Thursday)
HZWLUG topics are usually determined by attendees. We usually cover more than one topic.
NOTICE Date and Location change due to library scheduling issues for October and Nonvember.
VENUE St. Louis County Library Indian Trails Branch
Web site lists a number of topics to provide general directions from which to take off
November 2018
November 2018
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SLACC - November 1
SLACC usually holds a Linux configuration workshop - no presentation
STEERCOM - November 5
SLUUG - November 14
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VENUE Graybar Electric Company Inc., 11885 Lackland Road, St. Louis MO 63146
BASE (Personal Computing):
MAIN (Enterprise Computing):
STLLUG - November 15
STLLUG is the St. Louis Linux Users Group.
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VENUE Nick and Elena's Pizzeria, 3007 Woodson Rd, Overland, MO 63114
TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD)
Hazelwood - November 27
HZWLUG topics are usually determined by attendees. We usually cover more than one topic.
NOTICE Date and Location change due to library scheduling issues for October and Nonvember.
VENUE St. Louis County Library Prairie Commons Branch
DATE and LOCATION previously scheduled at Bridgeton Trails on Wednesday 28 November. Switched when opening became available.
Web site lists a number of topics to provide general directions from which to take off
Old Business
Server Admin
SUMMARY: We put up a server on the Internet for email, it grew, and now we have to maintain it.
2017-01-02
2017-01-30
2017-02-27 For MARCH
Lee & Earnest visited Hostirian and recovered KVM hotkeys
Lee, Earnest, & Mike Knight are working on Bud login delays
Lee worked with Jeff M. on recovering MailMan PWs. New site PW in config.html
All SLUUG core info is on Amber in /home/SLUUG, accessible to anyone with admin access
2017-04-03 for APRIL
Lee visited Hostirian (Bock, Bud) wrt requirement to participate in Hostirian's revenue stream.
Lee discussed with Matthew Porter (who is leaving Contegix management role)
What revenue is being generated for Contegix (Amber, Nick)?
If he's leaving active management, we might lose VM presence, including SLUUG.org (Amber)
Need to inventory all servers and document status WRT
EOL.
2017-06-26 for JULY
2017-07-31 for AUGUST
2017-08-28 for SEPTEMBER
2017-10-02
2017-10-30 for NOVEMBER
2017-12-04
If anyone wants anything from Bud, contact Lee by December 31
2018-01-02
2018-02-06
2018-03-05
Situation at Contegix remains, running obsolete CentOS
Contegix has requested we move to more modern host system at much reduced monthly cost over standard rates (getting it free for past 10 years); have not yet received proposal.
2018-04-02
Mike Knight has been cleaning house to reduce volume [of Gary's email] that needs to be migrated
Lee has been discussing terms with Contegix for continued service
Lee has explored Digital Ocean – they can't send valid confirmation mail
Lee is willing to put up server in Bat Cave
Lee will attempt a June 30 target date for migration
2018-04-30 for MAY
We have new VPS (Virtual Private Server) – Michelob, abbreviation "m"
Located in Bat Cave
Debian 9
See Lee for access
Set goal to configure Michelob to go live by end of May
2018-06-04
BOCK Transition Team met in Bat Cave on Wednesday 23 and Wednesday 30 May. Next session will be Wednesday 6 June.
BOCK Transition Team members Chuck Doolittle, Don Ellis (23 May), Mike Knight, Lee Lammert, Andrew St Clair, Stan Reichardt, and Steve Stegmann
Chuck Doolittle volunteered to set up *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
Andrew: We have running todo list on sysadmin tasks
2018-07-02
BOCK Transition Team met in Bat Cave on …
BOCK Transition Team members Chuck Doolittle, Don Ellis (23 May), Mike Knight, Lee Lammert, Andrew St Clair, Stan Reichardt, Steve Stegmann, and Gary Meyer.
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NOTE Surrounding pasted notes with < code > and < / code >
tags improve display ~ stanr.
The XFER of all functions to BOCK on the VM at OMNItec (and off of Amber at Contegix) will happen TONITE after this SteerCom mtng. Lee has tested mail clients.
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
Stan reports that we need to arrange to set up separate cert for stllug.org domain since it doesn’t match wildcard. Must be sure and continue paying for it!
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
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Web Site SLUUG.ORG Maintenance
SUMMARY: Our traditional Internet presence is with our main
SLUUG web site.
2017-01-02
2017-01-30 For FEB
2017-02-27 For MARCH
2017-04-03 For APRIL
2017-06-05 for JUNE
2017-06-26 for JULY
2017-07-31 for AUGUST
2017-08-28 for SEPTEMBER
2017-10-02
2017-10-30 for NOVEMBER
Stan R deleted home page access to old volunteering page. It may have had an archaic e-mail address as we never received anything from it.
Stan R made some edits on Special Interest Group (SIG) drop down. The sLUGs SIG web page indicates end of meetings, much like other discontinued SIGs.
Stan R & Don E will coordinate addition of video links to home page and/or G+ page by December Steercom meeting.
2017-12-04
STLWEBDEV.ORG domain was automatically renewed
Stan R is asking why we're supporting the domain other than for their mailing list. He receives email, but has never been able to post on the list. Not sure how to sign up for the list.
Gary saw on Meetup.com a group name that sounds dedicated to the same topic. Will this one continue, or be absorbed into the Meetup?
2018-01-02
2018-02-06
2018-03-05
Stan R had wrong meeting date on SLUUG main page (it still showed January date) and failed to update SLUUG February topics on MEETUP page.
Lee Lammert updated SLUUG February topics on the MEETUP page.
Above errors, delays and omissions may have affected SLUUG general meeting February attendance.
ANNOUNCE for the week and our Google Calendar entries had correct information.
2018-04-02
2018-04-30 for MAY
2018-06-04
Stan R is updating
HTML pages on BOCK.
Special Interest Group meeting sites SLACC, STLLINUX and Hazelwood have been updated for June.
General meeting home page is a work in progress. What sponsor do I remove?
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
Web Site MEETUP.COM Maintenance
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2017-01-30
2017-02-27 For MARCH
2017-06-26 for JULY
2017-07-31 for AUGUST
2017-08-28 for SEPTEMBER
2017-10-02
2017-10-30 for NOVEMBER
2017-12-04
A total of 336 have joined with our MEETUP.COM site (as of 30 Nov)
There is a new interface structure to MEETUP.COM maintenance, making changes difficult.
Example: Deleting duplicate information for SLACC meetings was hard to do and MIGHT have inadvertently sent cancellation messages.
We continue to need someone to help utilize MEETUP.COM resource.
Maintenance to MEETUP.COM is not done with scripts. It is user interface intensive. ~ stanr
Stan R – Hate the world. Except for chocolate. Should we be on FaceBook or Slack for social media interaction?
2018-01-02
2018-02-06
2018-03-05
A total of 360 have joined with our MEETUP.COM site, as of this February. Compared to ??? last February.
Unknown number have actually attended.
2018-04-02
A total of 367 have joined with our MEETUP.COM site, as of this March. Compared to 291 last March.
Stan wants someone else to respond to email inquiries and update calendar entries
One person attended March SLUUG meeting due to Meetup contact
2018-04-30 for MAY
2018-06-04
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
SUMMARY: We presume that our single web site isn't enough to draw younger crowd.
2017-02-27
In February 2017 Ken offered to put out a call for help for volunteers to work with us setting up our social media presence.
2017-12-04
2018-06-04
Internet Presence on Social Media other than MEETUP.COM site needs to be addressed separately.
Transferred other social media issues from Internet Presence to separate stanzas here.
We have no presence on FACEBOOK or TWITTER.
We have lost control of our presence on GOOGLE+ and YOUTUBE. We don't even know how to count anything there.
See counts in the Other Kinda Stuff Report above.
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
ANNOUNCE Mailing List
Camera and Microphone
Uploading Presentations
Library Room Reservations
SUMMARY: Room reservations at Saint Louis County Library Branches are available on each first Saturday of October and April.
HISTORY: We routinely reserve and pay fees for monthly SIG meetings at various Saint Louis County Library Branches.
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2017-12-04
2018-01-02
2018-02-06
2018-03-05
2018-04-02
2018-04-30 for MAY
Phil Bunch had success with all SLACC meeting dates and using Rock Road locations. Stan missed Saturday registration for HZWLUG.
All preferred Prairie Commons dates were Library reserved anyway, and differing dates and locations had to be found. The Indian Trails Branch messed up confirmations.
STL County Library Reservation made for SLACC and HZWLUG done, two payments still needed. i
Our web page schedules updated, still need to update location information on our Google calendar and all MEETUP information.
Problem with activating new Regions bank card used to make payments.
2018-06-04
Was able to pay for rooms with new Regions bank card; but, one of the meetings may not be properly credited by library.
The new Regions bank card may need to be realigned with different Federal account number.
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
Handouts
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2017-02-27 For MARCH
Need someone to work with Stan preparing handouts for SUSE Expert days
Raspberry Pi day at Science Center 3/11
First Friday at Science Center
2017-06-26 for JULY
2017-07-31 for AUGUST
2017-08-28 for SEPTEMBER
2017-10-02
2017-10-30 for NOVEMBER
2017-12-04
2018-01-02
2018-02-06
2018-03-05
2018-04-02
2018-04-30 for MAY
2018-06-04
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
Summer Workshops
2018-06-04
Thoughts about announcing workshops for summer meetings instead of actual topics. Prevent having to develop presentations.
OTOH, would be helpful to have topics for the workshops, so not zero effort.
2018-07-02
2018-07-30 for AUGUST
2018-08-27 for SEPTEMBER
We Need Help
New Business
Any New Business
Recognize Useful Efforts
Blue Sky Ideas
Recurring Requirements
June 2019 - BuddyNS SLUUG account due
June 2019 - Missouri Annual Report for Corporate Legal Status due.
July 2019 - SLUUG.ORG domain is domain automatic renewal? Is it with Dotster?
November 2018 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
April 2019 - First Saturday, reserve rooms at St. Louis County Library Branches.
December 2019 - STLWEBDEV.ORG is domain automatic renewal?
January 2020 - STLLINUX.ORG domain automatic renewal.
February 2020 - SLUUG Annual Board meeting and elections.
April 2020 - First Saturday, reserve rooms at St. Louis County Library Branches.
May 2020 - IRS Form 990-N for Tax Exempt Status. e-postcard.
Follow-up and Action Items
Everyone - Review the STEERCOM minutes, make corrections, act!
Everyone - Talk to someone about coming to meetings.
Everyone - Talk to someone about giving a presentation.
Don Ellis - upload older videos to Google Photos and/or Google Docs & publish links
Lee Lammert - Check on running joint meeting with WEBDEV folks.
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Gary Meyer ~ Email Lee to remind him about WebDev mailing list.
Gary Meyer - Did not follow up with Noel about transferring the SLACC.COM domain to us.
Lee Lammert - Reminder: If anyone needs SLUUG critical info, it's stored on Amber /home/admin
Stan R. ~ Remind Gary Meyer to bring Penguins to meetings and hand out pamphlets.
Stan and Gary should get together and discuss how ANNOUNCE is done
Next March or April: