NOTE: Minutes posted on the Wiki are always unofficial. Schedules for upcoming presentations are always tentative. (Some more tentative than others!)

• No physical meeting until further notice
  • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
  • The last session was done with JITSI on https://nyx.omnitec.net/ remote video service.
  • Stan R used Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make primary recording.

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• Monday, November 2nd, 2020
  • QUESTION: When was meeting called to order?
    • TIME: 6:45 PM

Listed alphabetically by last name:

* James Conroy

* Don Ellis

* David Forrest

* Ken Johnson

* Lee Lammert

* Gary Meyer

* Stan Reichardt

* Steve Stegmann

• Are there any additions, deletions, sequence, or other changes to sequence of items in the prepared agenda?
• 2020-10-05
• NEW BUSINESS: We should immediately consider the elimination of Back-To-Back Meetings.
  • Suggest we consider this change prior to all reviews, planning and OLD BUSINESS items by jumping ahead, then back, without altering agenda layout.
  • By not altering agenda layout, it would be easier to build next month's agenda. Moving a previous item out of sequence made editing difficult.
  • 
• NEW BUSINESS: Any other new business?
  • 

• 2020-10-05
  • The meeting is in progress. Stan acting as secretary. Don Ellis not here
  • Add to New Business discussion of switching from Wiki to Google Docs.
    • Continuing with Wiki until we can do a dry run and strategy discussion.

• 2020-11-02

• SLUUG Calendar is a Google Calendar available on our web site.
• This is a calendar of technical events in the Greater St. Louis area and surrounding regions.
• Not all events are official/sponsored SLUUG events. All sponsored events are shown in red.
• Items have been added and corrected by Stan R, Gary Meyer and Don Ellis.
• Items listed on this calendar were used to feed the ANNOUNCE weekly mailing.
• Events on HIATUS are NOT counted! Historical items are NOT counted! Only face to face meetings are counted!
• Count of number of events listed, each month, as of end of October 2020:

• Greyed out areas indicate corrections or never previously reported counts.
• xxx - numbers not recorded.
• ??? - Future Numbers.
• Stopped counting general StL County Library events in May 2016.
• Re-counted April 2016 without library events.
• Count of calendar entries for May is down from previous months. No explanation is given.
• Count of calendar entries for March 2020 misleading because of
• Limited maintence effort for March 2020 because CORONAVIRUS-19 self-isolation effects.
• Started counting moved and delayed items in April 2020 as they were considered being useful.
• Improvements in Google Calendar feature limits to five days processing at at time, takes about 10 times as long to perform. Much more tedious.

• SUMMARY Mailing List Report combined with MEETUP membership count, now called Subscriber Report.
• Subscriber numbers (approximate) as of end of October 2020:

• Numbers as end of each month.
• Blocking of mailing list attachments not completely configured yet. This will be much easier to do on BOCK.
• ANNOUNCE mailing list.
  • Still no volunteer editor to do a quarterly or monthly newsletter.
• Command used to generate these (as root on Bud):
  • /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members list_name | wc -l (This doesn't seem to work on Bock.)
• Greyed out areas indicate corrections or never previously reported counts.
• xxx - numbers not recorded.
• ??? - Future Numbers.
• - - dash indicates list did not previously exist.

• We do NOT have any account access or control to our presence and videos on Google+ or YouTube.
• We do NOT know how or what to count in Google+ NOR do we know how to metric videos.
• We do NOT know how or what to count in YouTube NOR do we know how to metric videos.
• No way to change meeting dates or set temporary hiatus in Google+
• Don will investigate Google+ status
• Don will place credentials for YouTube and any others on Bock /home/sluug

• Initial mail list subscriptions are prompted by attendance sheets.
• Group leaders are responsible for taking attendance at meetings.
• Blank attendance sheets are available here
• Attendance numbers, as of end of October 2020:

• Greyed out areas indicate corrections or never previously reported counts.
• xx - numbers not yet recorded, attendance not taken, or sheet missing.
• ?? - Future Numbers.
• (9) - Number in parentheses is head count. Use head count if greater than attendance sheet count (or sheet missing).
• * - sLUGs was STL Linux Users Group for Seniors with initial meeting 8 February 2015. Discontinued October 2017.
• * - SNUG SuSe was STL Novell Users Group with lunch meeting. Discontinued December 2017.
• - - dash indicates no meeting.

• SUMMARY: We try to analyse what happened or was presented at the previous months meetings.

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• SLACC usually holds a Linux Workshop offering installation and configuration help - no presentation
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session to be done with JITSI on https://nyx.omnitec.net/ remote video service
      • Stan R to use Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make recording.
    • First Thursday of October. One of our senior members (Norm Miller) had lost use of machine previous week. He called Phil Bunch and Stan. Attempted to fix it, included Ed Howland. Got the system to log in previous weekend. WiFi drivers had been erased. Phil went in and got the WiFi working. Demonstrated that there's only so much you can do if you don't have access, and presence of keyboard prompts additional ideas.
    • Mint had just released notes announcing that a previous version had disabled login. Discussed in Forum, but user had to know to go to the forum to find out about it, but had to log in to be able to attend Forum. Another user (Don Wieman) had similar problem and was also helped.
    • This represents a major SLACC event, helping two elderly Linux users who had been locked out, not having knowledge of how to search for the solution, and lacking ability to log on and search for the solution.
  • Special thanks go out to Stan, Phil, Ed, and Gary McKee for contributing to the community.
  • Also:
    • Gary suggested:
      • Nathan had problems with HBO no longer being supported in Linux. Was able to get it to run in WINE.

• HISTORY Steering Committee usually meets on Monday of the week prior (9 days) to General Meeting.
  • Link to past minutes and agenda.
  • Link to PLANS from Planning Schedule Database.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session was done with JITSI on https://nyx.omnitec.net/ remote video service, as ZOOM was not available.
    • Stan R used Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make primary recording. Sound was bad, only voice heard was Don Ellis.

• SLUUG General Meeting
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
      • This session was done with with ZOOM on DELL remote video service
      • We want to have alternative (secondary) topic on hand if primary speaker doesn't show.
  • BASE (Personal Computing):
    • STATUS: Done
    • WHAT: How to use Simple Screen Recorder
    • BY: Stan
    • SYNOPSIS:
    • WRANGLER: Gary
    • ABSTRACT: Yes
    • BIO: Yes
    • REMARKS:
      • We did not have an alternative (secondary) topic on hand.
      • Stan had difficulties hearing question from one participant.

—- COOKIE TIME ~ ANNOUNCEMENTS ~ CALL FOR HELP (Gooey Middle ):

• MAIN (Enterprise Computing):
  • STATUS: Done
  • WHAT: Wonderful World of Browsers
  • BY: Scott Granneman
  • SYNOPSIS: Comparison of Browsers
  • WRANGLER: Gary
  • ABSTRACT: Yes
  • BIO: Yes
  • REMARKS:
    • We did not have an alternative (secondary) topic on hand.
    • Some thought went too long. Like all others, each browser requires experience. We need much more experience.
    • Considerable amount of information. Vivaldi could be a complete presentation by itself.
    • We again may have crammed too much into the meeting. Nice problem.
    • We wonder why Firefox numbers are so low.

• STLLUG is the St. Louis Linux Users Group.
  • We want to have alternative (secondary) topic on hand if primary speaker doesn't show.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session was done with ZOOM on OMNITEC remote video service.
    • Stan R ( will use | used ) Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make ( primary | additional ) recording
  • • STATUS: Done
    • WHAT: Wireguard VPN
    • BY: Andrew Denner
    • SYNOPSIS:
    • WRANGLER: Lee
    • ABSTRACT: Yes
    • BIO: Yes
    • REMARKS:
      • Live presentations and demonstrations don't always come across as expected.
      • May have been that presenter came from a LUG that doesn't go length like we do. Yes, we want to cram too much into meeting.
      • 

• NEWLUG Our Linux Users Group for Linux Newcomers.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session was done with ZOOM on OMNITEC remote video service. Did not record with ZOOM.
    • Stan R used Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make recording.
  • REMARKS:
    • TOPICS are usually determined by attendees. We usually cover more than one topic.
    • NEWLUG home page lists a number of topics to provide general directions from which to take off
    • One participant seemed to be expecting too much from the group.
    • Stan: Linux is the future!

• Full Moon

SUMMARY * We try to track prospects to give presentations at our SLUUG General (SLUUG) meeting and LINUX (STLLUG) meetings.

• We try to segregate topic types as either BASE, MAIN or LINUX, with BASE and MAIN given at the General meeting (SLUUG) .
• BASE topics should be oriented toward simpler Personal Computing. Usually given as General meeting (SLUUG). Short is good.
• MAIN topics should be oriented more toward advanced or Enterprise Computing. Usually given at General meeting (SLUUG).
• LINUX topics could be either at the General meeting or at the St. Louis Linux Users Group (STLLUG) meetings.
• We always want to have alternative topics on hand if primary speaker doesn't show.
• Gary will continue to explore different computer manufacturers (ex: Cray) who might be able to do presentation "Where are they now?"
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• HISTORY Steering Committee usually meets on Monday of the week prior (9 days) to General Meeting.
  • Link to past minutes and agenda.
  • Link to PLANS from Planning Schedule Database.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session was recorded with private Jitsi, on OMNITEC remote video service. Did not record with ZOOM.
    • Stan R used Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make additional recording.
    • Jitsi was acting a bit weird, asking for password.

• SLACC usually holds a Linux Workshop offering installation and configuration help - no presentation
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session to be done with ZOOM on OMNITEC remote video service. Either way.
    • This session to be done with JITSI on https://nyx.omnitec.net/ remote video service. Either way.
    • Stan R might/will use Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make additional recording.
    • 

• SLUUG General Meeting
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
      • We want to have alternative (secondary) topic on hand if primary speaker doesn't show.
      • This session to be done with ZOOM on OMNITEC remote video service.
      • Stan R might/will use Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make additional recording.
  • BASE (Personal Computing):
    • STATUS: Confirmed
    • WHAT: Using the Make utility
    • BY: Ed Howland
    • SYNOPSIS: Tutorial on using Make
    • WRANGLER: Gary
    • ABSTRACT: YES
    • BIO: YES
    • REMARKS:
      • We do/do not have an alternative (secondary) topic on hand.
      • 

COOKIE TIME ~ ANNOUNCEMENTS ~ CALL FOR HELP (Gooey Middle ):

• MAIN (Enterprise Computing):
  • STATUS: Confirming
  • WHAT: OpenVAS Security Software
  • BY: Tony Zafiropoulos, SysEngr CISA
  • SYNOPSIS: Forklift revision - nothing works like it used to work
  • WRANGLER: Gary
  • ABSTRACT: No
  • BIO: No
  • REMARKS:
    • Listed topic on home page as TENTATIVE
    • We do/do not have an alternative (secondary) topic on hand.
    • 

• STLLUG is the St. Louis Linux Users Group.
  • We want to have alternative (secondary) topic on hand if primary speaker doesn't show.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • Pick the recording service we used below, then delete the other (and this line):
    • This session was done with ZOOM on OMNITEc remote video service.
    • This session was done with JITSI on https://nyx.omnitec.net/ remote video service
    • Stan R ( will use | used ) Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make ( primary | additional ) recording
  • • STATUS: Confirmed
    • WHAT: Linux and Win 10
    • BY: Ken Johnson
    • SYNOPSIS:
    • WRANGLER: Gary
    • ABSTRACT: Yes
    • BIO: Yes
    • REMARKS: We previously thought that this would be in the 22 October slot.
      • 

• NEWLUG Our Linux Users Group for Linux Newcomers.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • This session to be done with ZOOM on OMNITEC remote video service. Might not record with ZOOM.
    • Stan R might/will use Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make additional recording.
  • REMARKS:
    • TOPICS are usually determined by attendees. We usually cover more than one topic.
    • NEWLUG home page lists a number of topics to provide general directions from which to take off
    • 

• HISTORY Steering Committee usually meets on Monday of the week prior (9 days) to General Meeting.
  • Link to past minutes and agenda.
  • Link to PLANS from Planning Schedule Database.
  • No physical meeting until further notice
    • When we again have physical meetings, we want to continue video meetings in conjunction with any physical meetings.
    • Pick the recording service we used below, then delete the other (and this line):
      • This session was done with with ZOOM on OMNITEC remote video service
      • This session was done with JITSI on https://nyx.omnitec.net/ remote video service
      • Stan R ( will use | used ) Linux SimpleScreenRecorder to make ( primary | additional ) recording
    • 

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SUMMARY: We put up a server on the Internet for email, it grew, and now we have to maintain it.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Christmas Day SLUUG certificate would not work with securing email. Did not disrupt web site availability, nor remote SSH access. Mike Knight and Craig Bucheck tackled problem.
  • Successful test completed in September, will repeat in December
• 2020-02-03
  • Our *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK test was successfully completed in September, was to be repeated in December.
    • There was a problem Christmas Day with SLUUG certificate holding up email.
    • QUESTION: Was this related?
      • Mike Knight created and tested some scripts dealing with our LetsEncrypt setup.
    • QUESTION: Do we know what happened with SLUUG certificate not working with securing the email on Christmas Day?
      • Certificate had expired, was renewed, but IMAP server didn't get restarted to incorporate new cert.
      • Now the process is scripted. A post renewal script for LetsEncrypt has been added to restart Courier (IMAP)
    • QUESTION: Do we have any documentation on the overall *automated* process for LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK?
  • Mike Knight is investigating why SLUUG was being throttled by Google. Possibly something to do with the SLUUG SPF record being regarded as "suspicious" by Google.
• 2020-03-02
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
  • QUESTION: Do we have any documentation on the overall *automated* process for LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK?

# cat /etc/cron.daily/checkcert
#!/bin/bash

#MAILTO=""

/usr/bin/certbot renew

• Automated renewal system crashed Christmas day 2019 and didn't recover. Mike has adjusted it to work properly and it appears to work as of March 2020; appears to have worked for June instance.
• 2020-06-01
• Lee said limited bandwidth of transfers was issue as to where we would put recordings.
• Mike Knight is investigating why SLUUG was being throttled by Google. Possibly something to do with the SLUUG SPF record being regarded as "suspicious" by Google.
  • Mike? Answer?
• 2020-06-29 for July
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Lee: Server performance should be substantially improved because of new fiber installation in Bat Cave
• 2020-10-05
  • Mike: Alerted us to broken SLUUG Members Page.
    • Stan: Legacy of something Stan thought had already been done but hadn't
  • Mike: Alerted us to transient failure of SpamAssassin rules download, rerun OK.
    • Gary: Apparently it's ok now.
• 2020-11-02
• Reconsidered SPAM filtering. Stan R gets triple pay.
• We should start testing SPAM filtering. Lee will post decision to SYSADMIN list.

SUMMARY: We have a traditional Internet presence with the existence of our main SLUUG web site.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
• 2020-02-03
  • Stan R, did routine updating of home pages. Had no time for sorely needed cleanup, documentation, improvements, nor anything else.
  • Stan R, still needs to put election notice with Ballot2020.pdf up on websites.
• 2020-03-02
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
  • Stan tried doing website maintenance via smartphone; Google calendar got messed up; don't try editing with smartphone
  • Stan: SLACC and NewLUG meeting websites have been done for May
• 2020-06-01
  • Changes to SLUUG Wiki home page, see https://wiki.sluug.org/home/
    • Corrected the expected meeting schedule of the Steering Committee from Wednesday to Monday.
    • A line with two new links has been added:
      • The STEERCOM looks at *POTENTIAL* items in an attempt to provide *PLANNING* of future meeting dates, locations, and topics.
      • The *POTENTIAL* page information has been moved to the Planning Database and the page narrative is being merged into the *PLANNING* page and will then be next removed after this STEERCOM meeting.
    • The link to the obsolete calendar Events item is being deleted and is being replaced with a more current reference to our SLUUG Google Calendar.
  • Many of the other stanzas link to obsolete or incomplete wiki pages. Much of this is very misleading to anyone new that hasn't been around for years and accustomed to ignoring the mess.
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Lee has added another 50G partition on Bock under /srv/media/
  • Please move all media files to this new partition.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Stan: No progress
• 2020-10-05
  • Stan: No action taken to fix broken SLUUG Members Page pointed out by Mike Knight.
    • Stan: There is no link to the Members Page.
    • Lee: Why not rename the Members Page so any bookmarks to it are broken.
    • Gary mentioned article about CloudFlare and how to be sure our pages get onto the WayBack machine. Requires further investigation.
• 2020-11-02
  • Consider CloudFlare DNS so we would start showing up in the WayBack machine.
  • They likely are data mining any and all traffic.
  • Past members pages were being looked for.

SUMMARY: We have presence on MEETUP.COM.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • All NEWLUG entries for 2020 had to be created. Might have been because of wrong end date.
• 2020-02-03
  • Individuals that are not signed in with a MEETUP account do NOT see all of our events in the weekly calendar listings when checking for TECH events.
  • We suspect that it might be keyed to how many signed up folks have indicated that they will be attending.
• 2020-03-02
  • For Don: be sure we get info for March Wednesday meeting into Meetup.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
• 2020-06-01
  • Items were edited to point to individual home web page for connection instructions to video remote conferencing to meetings.
  • This was done so that only one site needed to be updated.
  • Apparently we did have at least one guy that could not follow instructions and complained that he couldn't connect.
  • This was done so that only one site needed to be updated. Apparently we did have at least one guy that could not follow instructions and complained that he couldn't connect.
• 2020-06-29 for July
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Gary: Stan suggested not putting streamer links in Meetup; go to our website for the links! (Save maintenance time & effort)
• 2020-10-05
  • As usual Gary agrees with Stan that Meetup sucks. Lee: It's a wonder how much Meetup charges for stuff that sucks.
• 2020-11-02
  • Ken Johnson was sharing cost with us. Haven't seen bill lately.

SUMMARY: Room reservations at Saint Louis County Library Branches are available on each first Saturday of October and April.

• HISTORY: We routinely reserve and pay fees for monthly SIG meetings at various Saint Louis County Library Branches.
• Applications for the use of St. Louis County Library Meeting Spaces are accepted on the first Saturday in October for January thru June dates, and on the first Saturday in April for July thru December dates.
• We can always check for available Library spaces.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Stan R dreading next round of reservations, will be just as difficult.
• 2020-02-03
  • Stan R cancelled all contingency library reservations for the SLUUG General meetings.
  • Stan R continues to check for any library location that may become suddenly available at familiar locations.
  • Reservations will become important again in April.
• 2020-03-02
  • One month warning. This has to be dealt with in April.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
  • Due to COVID19 restrictions, no library room reservations can be made until further notice.
• 2020-06-01
  • No change
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • No change
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • No change
• 2020-10-05
  • No change
• 2020-11-02
  • Due to COVID19 restrictions, no library room reservations can be made until further notice.

SUMMARY: We presume that our single web site isn't enough to draw younger crowd.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Gary had asked Terry to invite people to our meetings via LinkedIn.
  • QUESTION Are there any numbers we can gather to measure MASTODON or LinkedIn coverage? ANSWER: We don't know yet, process too nebulous, so far.
  • Apparently we have a Twitter account, we didn't know who did it. Turns out that Lee had created account in 2011. But, that ain't it.
• 2020-02-03
  • QUESTION for Terry Linhardt ~ Terry was going to check. Did he find out who set up Twitter account?
  • Terry never got feedback from those he asked.
• 2020-03-02
  • James has script to pull our info and put up on MASTODON. Not ready yet, but coming soon.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
  • Continuing to wait for James to report status of Mastodon upload process
• 2020-06-01
  • James continuing to work on it. No progress yet.
  • Gary has been schmoozing with STL Tech Channel Slack guys; was not really impressed.
• 2020-06-29 for July
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Media is socially distant
• 2020-10-05
  • No change
• 2020-11-02
  • James Conroy will increase efforts. Considering RSS feed might be worthwhile.
  • Gary was considering a presentation about software with bad name.

SUMMARY: We have recorded many of our past meetings and made them available on the Internet.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Gary Meyer will contact Steve Pidgeon for progress report
• 2020-02-03
  • Gary Meyer will contact Steve Pidgeon for progress report
• 2020-03-02
  • Don will contact Steve Pidgeon for progress report
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
  • Continuing to wait for Don & Steve to report
• 2020-06-01
  • Some Zoom Recordings have been downloaded from DELL. Stan R put them up on BOCK and made web page links.
    • 2020-05-13 SLUUG, TXT 33 bytes, M4a 69.3 MB, MP4 322.8 MB
    • 2020-05-21 STLLUG, TXT 329 bytes, M4a 58.5 MB, MP4 1.0 GB
  • Mike Knight pointed out on STEERCOM list that space on BOCK is not unlimited. We have gone from 67% full on 04/21 to 73% on 05/26.
  • Don needs to check on April recordings and upload them.
  • Don still needs to get in contact with Steve Pidgeon.
  • Don needs to document Google Photos and YouTube upload process and work with Stan to document.
  • Lee says question is not where to store but about access thruput.
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Lee added new 50G partition on Bock at /srv/media/
  • Don will contact Steve Pidgeon
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Stan: I'm behind. (Stan recorded August LUG meeting; needs to upload)
• 2020-10-05
  • Don will contact Steve Pidgeon
  • Unknown
• 2020-11-02
  • Don has not contact Steve Pidgeon
  • Stan pointed to https://www.sluug.org/steercom/ page.
  • Lee wonders if we need to keep recording of STEERCOM for a long time. Space is being burnt fast.

SUMMARY: We try to record many of our meetings.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
• 2020-02-03
  • Don Ellis has been traveling extensive last month.
• 2020-03-02
  • Don will contact vendor about battery replacement.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
  • Don will search for replacement battery online
• 2020-05-04
• 2020-06-01
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Don & Lee will discuss status of Camera 1
  • Don will investigate Snowball/SpaghettiSauce mic
  • One Projector remains with Stan pending access to physical meeting rooms again
  • Other projector remains with Lee
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Lee: Testing Camera 1, got some good video
• 2020-10-05
  • No change
• 2020-11-02
  • No change

SUMMARY: We seek financial support from the tech community.

• HISTORY: We are not good at getting sponsors.
• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
• 2020-02-03
  • SuSE rep paid for pizzas at Nick and Elanna's STLLUG meeting.
• 2020-03-02
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
• 2020-06-01
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • If we get back to regular meetings, would be nice to have a sponsor for beer and pizza.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Everyone think if there's anyone we can hit up to sponsor meeting platform software i.e. Zoom, Webex, Google, etc
  • Note that Webex doesn't allow hosting from Linux, i.e. master console, responsible for controlling session, sharing screen, etc.
• 2020-10-05
  • Gary: Can we get some sponsor interested in closed captioning to help elderly and/or hearing impaired to pay for [CC] in our Zoom account?
• 2020-11-02
  • Gary wonders if our recent benfactors should be listed as sponsors.
  • Agreed that we want to give credit to OMNITEC and Ken Johnson (his choice).

SUMMARY: As a historical descendant of our monthly newsletter, the ANNOUNCE mailing had been a weekly extract of our SLUUG GOOGLE Calendar of Events. Previous editors had also styled it less of 1 liners of the entire calendar and more of abstracts of OUR talks & outstanding interest items.

• HISTORY: The subscriber list has been populated from attendance sheets by a nominating subscription process, which requires human input.

• Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Still no volunteer to do any kind of weekly or even monthly newsletter.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
• 2020-10-05
  • Stan has manually added several people to be able to receive the Announce list
    • Included Ed Howland and several SUSE people
    • Stan: Note that joining the Announce list (or others) is not easy for the blind.
• 2020-11-02
  • Stan should go back and make sure SUSE people are on both ANNOUNCE and DISCUSS.

SUMMARY:

• 2019-12-02
  • Don needs to test Stan's database on Libreoffice on Mac. Everyone else should test the database on their own systems.
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Don and Gary needs to test Stan's database on Libreoffice on Mac. Everyone else should test the database on their own systems.
  • Lee tested successfully on SUSE.
• 2020-02-03
  • Nothing new.
• 2020-03-02
  • Don still needs to do his test. Gary & Stan have been loading. Stan is working on allowing multiple user updates.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
• 2020-06-01
  • Don still needs to test Stan's database on Libreoffice on Mac. Everyone else should test the database on their own systems.
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Stan discovered a conversion feature using pdftotext that generates useful full text version from the pdf report.
  • Expects to provide a downloadable concurrent text version along with the pdf version.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Stan's doing a great job. Every differently sorted report has to start from scratch. Might have to use two formats, maybe not worthwhile to build a new format.
• 2020-10-05
  • Don still needs to test Stan's database on Libreoffice on Mac. Everyone else should test the database on their own systems.
  • Gary: It's very useful. Everyone should try it out and see what changes need to be made.
• 2020-11-02
  • Stan outline state of LibreOffice BASE internal database. Awaiting update to go into repositories.
  • Neither Gary nor Don have teste on Apple boxes.

SUMMARY: We have informational handout PDFs available http://www.sluug.org/resources/handouts/.

• HISTORY: The PDFs are generated using LibreOffice. The originating files are stored along with generated PDFs.

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Lee ordered printer parts that should correct krinkle problem.
• 2020-02-03
  • Stan R has been modifying a Linux Presentation Day from 2015 found on the Internet. It has excellent content.
    • Difficult to modify, as it is extremely graphically intense. Built and modified with the Scribus application.
    • Likely too complex to print, may wind up splitting content to make a slide show presentation.
• 2020-03-02
  • Lee: If anybody needs handouts, send me a PDF and a quantity.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
  • Stan has been working on a PDF that will probably just be published as PDF plus presentation, not printed
• 2020-06-01
  • Nothing being worked on this month.
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Nothing being worked on this month.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Stan will post to STEERCOM a draft evaluation cheat sheet for evaluating speakers.
• 2020-10-05
  • Stan is working on a handout entitled Evaluation. Give people what kind of questions to ask presenters. Key phrases to trigger the ideas that need to be applied to every presentation.
• 2020-11-02
  • Stan will add Evaluation sheet to handouts page after meeting. Gives presenters ideas about what kind of questions they may be asked.

SUMMARY: Ken Johnson really prefers stickers, rather than stuffed toys!

• HISTORY: SWAG is good!

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Lee has sheet to pass on to Ken.
• 2020-02-03
  • Nothing new.
• 2020-03-02
  • James Conroy will make background black so we can get what we want when ordered.
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
• 2020-06-01
• 2020-06-29 for July
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • 
• 2020-10-05
  • 
• 2020-11-02
  • Prototype from James C. sent to Lee.

SUMMARY: We don't have enough volunteers to do everything consistently.

• HISTORY: We need new members who want to do stuff. Same as every month.
• QUESTION: Any new volunteers to help?

• *Minutes narratives prior to 2020 have been removed.*
• 2019-12-30 (for January 2020)
  • Tyler Rudie had volunteered to help with SLUUG Google calendar input.
• 2020-02-03
  • Tyler Rudie has been granted permissions to help with SLUUG Google calendar input. Not yet given guidance or instructions.
  • Gary needs to prompt him.
• 2020-03-02
• 2020-03-30 (for April)
• 2020-05-04
• 2020-06-01
  • Gary, Stan, & Tyler need to get together to review Tyler getting to work on Google Calendar modifications?
• 2020-06-29 for July
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • We always need help of one kind or another
• 2020-10-05
  • Gary & Stan have to get more active with Tyler or someone working on the calendar.
• 2020-11-02
  • Gary still needs to contact with Tyler or someone else working on the calendar.

SUMMARY: We don't want to constantly rely on someone else's ZOOM capability and want something with closed captioning ability.

• HISTORY: We have mostly been using DELL's ZOOM sessions.
• 2020-05-04
  • Lee visited Chicago LUG - using Big Blue Button (BBB)
    • BBB records separate audio, visual, and presentation files.
    • How to download recording from server and combine streams into single video stream
    • Maybe set up Big Blue Button (BBB) on different hostname for testing
• 2020-06-01
  • Lee has set up BBB server. Issues with separate recordings Display, Audio and Whiteboard.
  • Stan suggested some frequent weekly testing of alternate Remote Video Conferencing Service packages
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • Lee: Jitsi has progressed amazingly the past few months. If Firefox can be kept off, it works pretty well.
    • Jitsi End to end encryption is being developed, may be ready for use at this time.
  • Gary: Encourage Dave to continue to investigate captioning for various screen sharing platforms.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Big Blue Button wasn't fully developed. Allows uploading presentation, limited usefulness.
  • Zoom labels statements by speaker, Jitsi doesn't
  • Webex is non-starter, can't host from Linux.
  • Zoom may be $20/mo, plus $20/mo for [cc]
  • Chad is our single point of service for Zoom. Need to find another company to give us our own account, or a sponsor to pay $40/month for Zoom plus [cc].
  • Stan: Maybe Microsoft would be willing to sponsor us?
  • Lee: Google doesn't have non-profit version we could use.
• 2020-10-05
  • StanR: Attended today's Jitsi developer monthly open session. Developers claim Firefox is no longer a problem. I don't believe it. No easy way to verify.
  • StanR: The LinuxMint team announced on 2 October that they will package Chromium browser (ETA unknown). Will make it easier for LinuxMint users to install.
  • LEE: Jitsi is available, …though we need to decide about switching to Zoom basic before mid month/
    • That's the renewal on the VPS hosting Jitsi - if we want to switch to Zoom, would like to do it before another charge.
• Switch to Zoom from Jitsi * Lee already has a Zoom account. Very economical.
  • Lee will make arrangements when he's figured out the details, especially [CC].
  • Target date is mid month.
• 2020-11-02
  • Google Meet is free with closed capturing; but, now for only one hour at a time. Gary can't figure out how to activate closed captioning.

SUMMARY: Stop any potential Back-To-Back meetings

• HISTORY: During some months the 2nd Wednesday SLUUG meeting is immediately followed the next day by 3rd Thursday STLLUG meeting.
• 2020-10-05
  • Gary M. posted background and some issues to STEERCOM mailing list.
  • We have had some folks grumble that “2 meetings in 2 days is too great a time drain.”
    • They’d prefer meetings in different week.
  • We have always said that it would be “nice” to have 2-part meetings that were so long they would stretch into a 2nd evening.
    • However, I think we have only taken advantage of that a couple times.
  • An additional week would allow more time to find the next presentation for the STLLUG meeting.
  • Gary spoke with Ken Johnson. Ken concurs that the change won't cause disruption
• By vote, the committee resolved to eliminate back to back meetings from this month forward.
• 2020-11-02
  • Stan may or may not look like a calendar.
  • Everybody seems to be accepting change eliminating back-to-back meetings.
  • We will continue with this change.

SUMMARY: Sheltering in Place precludes use of physical attendance sheets

• HISTORY: Our attendance records were used to determine qualification to vote in our annual February balloting.
• 2020-06-01
  • Gary M. posted background and issues to STEERCOM mailing list.
  • 2020-05-28 Subject: Election voter rolls
  • No physical meetings until further notice, we can not use attendance sheets.
  • We expect that remote participation should qualify as attendance.
  • Therefore we need to record and count remote participation as qualifying attendance.
  • Further we need to develop process for voting at our annual February meeting.
• 2020-06-01
• 2020-06-29 for July
  • If one of us remembers during the meeting, take a snapshot of the participant list. Experiment with viewing the recording and see if the participant list is available.
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • In past we've always posted that ballots could be mailed in, as early as possible.
• 2020-10-05
  • Stan R wants to know how we should record attendance once we have combined meetings? Listing both physical and remote numbers might be difficult within this wiki layout.
  • Gary: Since we don't pass around a signup sheet, we don't tell people how their attendance is being recorded. Stan reviews the video and copies the attendee list.
  • Stan: This whole topic can be put up on Discuss list, giving the procedure.
  • Gary: The masses need to see how the sausage is made.
• 2020-11-02
  • Gary discussed individual confirmation of meeting attendance.
  • We may have to check SLUUG charter and bylaw rules.
  • Absentee secret ballot mail in has been done in past.
  • Lee will post suggested motion to suspend election rules to STEERCOM mailing list.

• 2020-10-05
  • Gary: two items
    • Sunday night he returned and found cardboard box with old secretary material. Original Xeroxes of articles of corporation, etc. Historical interest. No idea who dropped it off.
    • Recommend/suggest that any of us look at calendar. Tomorrow (10/6) Red Hat Seminar. Free food again? Be sure to let them know that SLUUG people are at the meeting.
    • Consider a trial of editing the minutes in Google Docs. Stan suggests using vim or emacs. Further investigation.
• 2020-11-02
  • Sunday night he returned and found cardboard box with old secretary material. Original Xeroxes of articles of corporation, etc. Historical interest. No idea who dropped it off.
    • Gary has not gone thru box yet. Another thing to do.
  • Recommend/suggest that any of us look at calendar. Tomorrow (10/6) Red Hat Seminar. Free food again? Be sure to let them know that SLUUG people are at the meeting.
    • Been there. done that.
  • Consider a trial of editing the minutes in Google Docs. Stan suggests using vim or emacs. Further investigation.
    • Don has not done any testing.

• Do we have anything else new to deal with?
• 2020-11-02
  • 

SUMMARY: We routinely rotate thru the following (just in case):

• HISTORY: In past, we had missed critical government filings, dropped ball on domain renewals, and similar important items.
• November 2019 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
  • Note: Need documentation on this process!
  • Note: Completed last summer, 2019. The automation works.
  • Successful test completed in September, will repeat in December
• March 2020 - schedule workshops for July and August 2020
• March 2020 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK
• April 2020 - First Saturday, reserve rooms at St. Louis County Library Branches.
• June 2020 - BuddyNS SLUUG account due
• June 2020 - Missouri Annual Report for Corporate Legal Status due.
  • https://bsd.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/BusinessEntityDetail.aspx?page=beSearch&ID=681250
• June 2020 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
• September 2020 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
• October 2020 - First Saturday, reserve rooms at St. Louis County Library Branches.
• November 2020 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
  • Note: Need documentation on this process!
• December 2020 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
• December 2020 - STLWEBDEV.ORG is domain automatic renewal?
  • (No longer a web page, just a mailing list)
    • actually https://webdev.sluug.org/
    • and there is a STLWEBDEV mailing list.
  • Consider cutting it off sometime next year, ie 2020
• January 2021 - STLLINUX.ORG domain automatic renewal.
• January 2021 ~ Post Office Box Renewal (automatic 6 months on credit card~ Lee handles.
• February 2021 - SLUUG Annual Board meeting and elections.
• February 2021 - Verify renewal of certs with LetsEncrypt
• March 2021 - Count Ballots
• March 2021 - Updates to contacts on webpage if required.
• March 2021 - Updates to email aliases if required.
• March 2021 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
• March 2021 - Consider schedule workshops for July and August 2021
• April 2021 - IRS Form 990-N for Tax Exempt Status. e-postcard.
• April 2021 - First Saturday, reserve rooms at St. Louis County Library Branches.
• 2020-05-04
  • Automated renewal system crashed Christmas day 2019 and didn't recover. Mike has adjusted it to work properly and it appears to work as of March 2020.
• 2020-06-01
  • All of June tasks are done.
• 2020-06-29 for July
• 2020-08-03
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Stan needs to get with Gary to clean this section up. Can't get him to stay in one place any length of time.
• 2020-10-05
  • Stan needs to get with Gary to clean this section up. Can't get him to stay in one place any length of time.
• 2020-11-02
  • Stan needs to get with Gary to clean this section up. Can't get him to stay in one place any length of time.
  • 

SUMMARY: When anybody does something to help!

• QUESTION: Did anyone do anything helpful or useful?
• 2020-11-02
  • Thank Stan for filling for Don as secretary.
  • Thank Lee for setting up ZOOM and keeping Jitsi server going.
  • Thank Steve for commenting on STEERCOM list.

SUMMARY: It may help a little to tag individuals with tasks:

• Everyone - Review the STEERCOM minutes, make corrections, act!
• Everyone - Talk to someone about coming to meetings.
• Everyone - Talk to someone about giving a presentation.
• Everyone - Talk to all members about December Party.
• Everyone - Stan R wants LibreOffice Planning database tested on multiple systems.
• Don Ellis ~ Test Stan's Planning database on Libreoffice on Mac.
• Don Ellis ~ Upon return to town, clean tomato sauce off the Snowball microphone (there was minor accident at STLLUG).
• Don Ellis ~ upload older videos to Google Photos and/or Google Docs & publish links.
• Don Ellis ~ Possible presentation - 2018-07-18 he had suggested Apple interfaces and accessories for audio & video.
• Don Ellis ~ Possible presentation on new ChromeBook Linux interface. July 2020
• Gary Meyer ~ Contact Steve Pidgeon for progress report.
• Gary Meyer ~ Contact Steve Lembark about splitting presentation into two parts.
• Gary Meyer - Build spreadsheet to track domain name registrations. See http://bgp.he.net/ip/207.223.253.71#_dns
• Gary Meyer - Did not follow up with Noel about transferring the SLACC.COM domain to us.
  • SLACC.COM is now held by someone else (squatter).
  • SLACC.ORG could be registered. SLACC.ORG available for sale ~ only $499.
  • Consider other TLDs than .com and .org for SLACC
• Stan R. ~ Remind Gary Meyer to bring SWAG, Penguins or stickers to meetings and hand out pamphlets.
• Stan and Gary should get together and discuss how ANNOUNCE was done.
• Gary hassle Mike about Google throttling.
• November 2019 - *automated* LetsEncrypt free SSL certificates for websites on BOCK.
• Note: Need documentation on this process!
• Note: Completed last summer, 2019. The automation works.
• 2020-11-02
  • 

• Monday, October 5th, 2020
• 2020-11-02
  • QUESTION: At what time was meeting adjourned?
  • TIME: Mon Nov 2 20:49:19 CST 2020

SUMMARY: Food for thought ~ anything not previously covered that provides mental stimulus for thinking about improvements or solutions.

• HISTORY: Stimulate creativity by planting the seed of an idea. Current action or response not required.
  • Some ideas are Off-The-Record ~ NOT TO BE RECORDED!
  • Some ideas should be publicized.~ SHOULD BE RECORDED!
  • If a speaker believes something should not be recorded, the record operator needs to be notified.
  • Each speaker should initially declare whether an idea should be recorded or not.
• 2020-08-31 for September
  • Skies have been especially blue for this time of year, when not unusually cloudy.
  • Stan: Consider moving Blue Skies to after adjournment, so it would take place after formal end of meeting and would not be video recorded.
• 2020-11-02
  •