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 ====== Date and Time ====== ====== Date and Time ======
   * Wednesday, June 3, 2009   * Wednesday, June 3, 2009
-  * 6:30 PM -+  * 6:30 PM - 8:12 PM
  
 ====== Attendees ====== ====== Attendees ======
-  * :?: Barry Morrison +  * Craig Buchek 
-  * :?: Carl Fitch +  * Jerry Stutte 
-  * :?: Craig Buchek +  * Jeff Muse 
-  * :?: Gary Meyer +  * Stan Reichardt 
-  * :?: Jeff Muse +  * Gary Meyer
-  * :?: Lee Lammert +
-  * :?: Stan Reichardt +
-  * :?: Tony Lovasco +
-  * +
  
 ====== Secretary Report ​ ====== ====== Secretary Report ​ ======
-FIXME +  ​* Secretary has printed out minutes up through ​May.
-  ​* Secretary has printed out minutes up through ​March. +
-  * +
  
 ====== Treasurer Report ====== ====== Treasurer Report ======
-FIXME+  * No report. Following info is from last month.
   * Balance: $1271.62 as of 3/31/2009   * Balance: $1271.62 as of 3/31/2009
   * Accounts Payable: $100.00 for booth at Small Business Expo   * Accounts Payable: $100.00 for booth at Small Business Expo
   * Accounts Paid: $90.03 for electricity at Small Business Expo   * Accounts Paid: $90.03 for electricity at Small Business Expo
-  *  
  
 ====== Mailing List Report ====== ====== Mailing List Report ======
-FIXME 
   * Subscriber numbers (approximate) as of end of May 2009:   * Subscriber numbers (approximate) as of end of May 2009:
  
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-^ STLOSUG ​ | 20 |  10 |    - |  12 |   - |  11 |  10 |  7 |   6 |   ? |    8 |  13 |  - | +^ STLOSUG ​ | 20 |  10 |    - |  12 |   - |  11 |  10 |  7 |   6 |   ? |    8 |  13 |   ​- | 
-^ SNUG     | NA |   5 |    4 |   - |   5 |   3 |  5? |  - |   7 |   ? |    - |   ? |  ? ​+^ SNUG     | NA |   5 |    4 |   - |   5 |   3 |  5? |  - |   7 |   ? |    - |   ? | (6) 
-^ STLLUG ​  | 29 |  22 |   20 |  23 |  13 |  15 |  11 | 10 |  19 |  32 |18(21)| ​ 20 | 21 | +^ STLLUG ​  | 29 |  22 |   20 |  23 |  13 |  15 |  11 | 10 |  19 |  32 |18(21)| ​ 20 |  21 | 
-^ STCLUG ​  ​| ​ 5 |   6 |    3 |   6 |   3 |  19 |   - |  6 | 11? |  12 |    9 |  10 |  8 | +^ STCLUG ​  ​| ​ 5 |   6 |    3 |   6 |   3 |  19 |   - |  6 | 11? |  12 |    9 |  10 |   ​8 | 
-^ HZWLUG ​  | 11 |  10 |   11 |  12 |   9 |  11 |   9 |  4 |   2 |   8 |    7 |  11 | 10 | +^ HZWLUG ​  | 11 |  10 |   11 |  12 |   9 |  11 |   9 |  4 |   2 |   8 |    7 |  11 |  10 | 
-^ MythTV ​  ​| ​ - |   - |    - |   - |   - |   - |   - |  - |   - |   8 |    - |   - |  - |+^ MythTV ​  ​| ​ - |   - |    - |   - |   - |   - |   - |  - |   - |   8 |    - |   - |   ​- |
  
   * NA - Not part of SLUUG.   * NA - Not part of SLUUG.
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 ====== Review Free Software and Technology Expo ====== ====== Review Free Software and Technology Expo ======
-  * <del> Rick Clark from Canonical proposed SLUUG sponsor an Ubuntu release party.</​del>​ +  * Success! 
-    * <del> No longer calling it Ubuntu Release Party</​del>​ +    * Vendors were happy with the turn-out. 
-    * <del> Changed references ​to a Ubuntu Release Party to simple Ubuntu Release coming end of April</​del>​ +    * Was able to cover costs. 
-  * <del> Official Name: Free Software and Technology Expo </​del>​ +  * Most attendees were SLUUG regulars
-  * <del> Date will be 2nd Saturday in May - May 9</​del>​ +    * Need to get the word out better next time. 
-    * <del> Runs from 1 PM to 7 PM (NOTE: ​time change) </​del>​ +  Good turn-out, considering there were 150+ other events going on that weekend. 
-    <del> Setup from noon to 1 PM </​del>​ +  * Rick Clark from Canonical showed up
-  * <del> Tony Lovasco ​from Nexradix paid for [[http://​www.westportstl.com | Westport Plaza]] location</​del>​ +    * Had missed out on emails, due to white-listing and volume
-    * <del> Sheraton (900 Westport Plaza) ​gold tower </​del>​ +  * Thanks and congrats to Tony Lovasco ​for his efforts.
-    * <del> Tony has registered [[http://​freesoftwareexpo.com | freesoftwareexpo.com]] </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Single ballroom - 75' x 30' </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Tables in a horseshoe, with projector </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Booths around the edges </​del>​ +
-    * <del> SLUUG membership desk </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Changed home pages for SLUUG, STLLUG, STCLUG and STL computer events calendar </​del>​ +
-  * :?: Anything new? +
-  * +
  
 ====== Meeting Review and Comments ====== ====== Meeting Review and Comments ======
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 ==== SLUUG - May 13 ==== ==== SLUUG - May 13 ====
   * BASE: Using System Rescue by Carl Fitch   * BASE: Using System Rescue by Carl Fitch
 +    * Really good.
   * MAIN: Firefox Extensions by Mike Wilkerson   * MAIN: Firefox Extensions by Mike Wilkerson
 +    * Good. More extensive than expected.
  
 ==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - NO MAY MEETING ==== ==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - NO MAY MEETING ====
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 ==== SNUG - May 20 ==== ==== SNUG - May 20 ====
-  * TOPIC: AppArmor+  * TOPIC: AppArmor ​by Gary Hollingsworth 
 +    * Good.
  
 ==== STLLUG - May 21 ==== ==== STLLUG - May 21 ====
   * TOPIC: Patent-Free Codecs (Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Theora, FLAC, Dirac) by Tony Lovasco   * TOPIC: Patent-Free Codecs (Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Theora, FLAC, Dirac) by Tony Lovasco
-  ​* No projector +    * Good, but depressing (the fact that open codecs are losing out) 
-  * No voice recorder +    ​* No projector ​(didn'​t really need one) 
-  * No slides, used white board+    * No voice recorder 
 +    * No slides, used white board (worked fine, though)
  
 ==== HZWLUG - May 26 ==== ==== HZWLUG - May 26 ====
   * Topics are usually determined by attendees. ​ We sometimes cover more than one.   * Topics are usually determined by attendees. ​ We sometimes cover more than one.
 +    * 2 new people
 +    * No projector
 +    * Helped solve user issues
  
 ==== STCLUG - May 28 ==== ==== STCLUG - May 28 ====
   * TOPIC: An in Depth Look at SystemrescueCD,​ A Follow Up by Carl Fitch   * TOPIC: An in Depth Look at SystemrescueCD,​ A Follow Up by Carl Fitch
 +    * Good.
  
 ==== MythTV - NO MAY MEETING ==== ==== MythTV - NO MAY MEETING ====
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 ==== SLUUG - June 10 ==== ==== SLUUG - June 10 ====
-  * BASE: To Be Determined (TBD)+  * BASE: Vim Folding by Stan Reichardt
   * MAIN: Neural Networks to Scan DNA by Bryce Meyer (via Lee)   * MAIN: Neural Networks to Scan DNA by Bryce Meyer (via Lee)
  
 ==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - June 16 ==== ==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - June 16 ====
-  * TOPIC: Migrating an RC script to SMF  +  * TOPIC: Migrating an RC script to SMF 
-  * New location is Pujol'​s ​5 Westport Grill342 West Port PlazaMaryland Heights, MO 63146+  * New location is Pujols ​5 Westport Grill 
 +    * 342 West Port Plaza 
 +    * Maryland Heights, MO 63146
  
 ==== SNUG - June 17 ==== ==== SNUG - June 17 ====
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 ==== STLLUG - June 18 ==== ==== STLLUG - June 18 ====
-  * TOPIC: ​To Be Determined (TBD) +  * TOPIC: ​Open Source Licensing - What You Need to Know by Craig Buchek
-  * WITHDRAWN: OpenGL ​by Jerry Stutte (Still recovering from heart surgery)+
  
 ==== HZWLUG - June 23 ==== ==== HZWLUG - June 23 ====
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 ==== SLUUG - July 8 ==== ==== SLUUG - July 8 ====
-  * BASE: To Be Determined ​(TBD)+  * BASE: ack (grep replacementby Craig Buchek
   * MAIN: Managing Systems with Puppet by Kyle Cordes (TENTATIVE, via Craig)   * MAIN: Managing Systems with Puppet by Kyle Cordes (TENTATIVE, via Craig)
  
 ==== STLLUG - July 16 ==== ==== STLLUG - July 16 ====
-  * TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD)+  * OpenGL by Jerry Stutte
  
 ==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - July 21 ==== ==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - July 21 ====
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 ==== HZWLUG - July 28 ==== ==== HZWLUG - July 28 ====
   * Topics are usually determined by attendees. ​ We sometimes cover more than one.   * Topics are usually determined by attendees. ​ We sometimes cover more than one.
- 
-==== MythTV - ==== 
-  * This SIG meets at irregular intervals. 
- 
-===== August 2009 ===== 
-<​code>​ 
-    August 2009      
-Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 
-                   1 
- ​2 ​ 3  4  5  6  7  8 
- 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 
-16 17 18 19 20 21 22 
-23 24 25 26 27 28 29 
-30 31                
-</​code>​ 
- 
-==== SLACC - August 6 ==== 
-  * Linux configuration workshop - no presentation 
- 
-==== SLUUG - August 12 ==== 
-  * BASE: To Be Determined (TBD) 
-  * MAIN: Managing Systems with Puppet by Kyle Cordes (TENTATIVE, via Craig) 
-  * MAY ACTION ITEM: Craig - Follow up with Kyle Cordes on Puppet. 
- 
-==== STLOSUG (Solaris) - Aug 18 ==== 
-  * TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD) 
- 
-==== SNUG - August 19 ==== 
-  * TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD) 
- 
-==== STLLUG - August 20 ==== 
-  * TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD) 
- 
-==== HZWLUG - August 25 ==== 
-  * Topics are usually determined by attendees. ​ We sometimes cover more than one. 
- 
-==== STCLUG - August 27 ==== 
-  * TOPIC: To Be Determined (TBD) 
  
 ==== MythTV - ==== ==== MythTV - ====
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 ====== Potential Presenters ====== ====== Potential Presenters ======
 These are some people who can present, and possible topics they can speak about. These are some people who can present, and possible topics they can speak about.
-  * June Topic: +  * Rick Clark (Ubuntu) (via Craig
-    * Creating your own Neural Network to scan DNA (or other interesting stuff) +    * TOPIC: TBD 
-    * Bryce Meyer (bmeyer@sei.cmu.edu- confirmed for June SLUUG +    * Might be able to talk to STCLUG ​and STLLUG
-  * Jerry Stutte +
-    * OpenGL +
-    * Google Gadgets (was done at STCLUG ​Apr 2009)+
   * Kyle Cordes   * Kyle Cordes
     * Puppet     * Puppet
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     * TOPIC: TBD     * TOPIC: TBD
     * Still gone for summer. Awaiting details.     * Still gone for summer. Awaiting details.
-  * Rick Clark (Ubuntu) (via Craig) 
-    * TOPIC: TBD 
-    * Might be able to talk to STCLUG and STLLUG 
   * Jeff Logullo (formerly of Sun)   * Jeff Logullo (formerly of Sun)
     * TOPIC: MySQL - now a Sun product     * TOPIC: MySQL - now a Sun product
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     * TOPIC: PGP and GPG     * TOPIC: PGP and GPG
   * Jeff Muse   * Jeff Muse
-    * TOPIC: various ​Solaris topics+    * Software RAID 
 +    * Solaris for Linux Admins 
 +    * Mailman 
 +    * Various other Solaris topics
   * Stan Reichardt   * Stan Reichardt
     * Evaluating Security (Internet access required)     * Evaluating Security (Internet access required)
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   * Craig Buchek   * Craig Buchek
     * git and GitHub     * git and GitHub
-    * ack (grep replacement) 
     * GNU grep (--count, --context, -e, --color)     * GNU grep (--count, --context, -e, --color)
     * wget and curl     * wget and curl
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   * Mike Wilkerson   * Mike Wilkerson
     * Round-Table on Joe Linux User (moderator)     * Round-Table on Joe Linux User (moderator)
 +  * Jerry Stutte
  
 ====== Potential Topics ====== ====== Potential Topics ======
 These are some topics that we've had requested, or brainstormed,​ but need to find speakers for. These are some topics that we've had requested, or brainstormed,​ but need to find speakers for.
 List was posted to DISCUSS on 25 May, asking for volunteers. List was posted to DISCUSS on 25 May, asking for volunteers.
 +
 +  * Google Wave
 +  * BSD jail
   * Unix glossary - unusual terms   * Unix glossary - unusual terms
     * mount point     * mount point
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     * Developing for (web, native)     * Developing for (web, native)
   * iPhone competitors   * iPhone competitors
 +    * New Google Android Phones
     * LG Dare     * LG Dare
     * Samsung Instinct     * Samsung Instinct
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 ====== SLUUG Server Admin ====== ====== SLUUG Server Admin ======
 +  * A 2nd NIC has been installed on Budlight.
 +    * On back-end network (192.168.1.x)
 +      * Last octet matches octet of public IP.
 +  * Rsnapshot has been installed on Budlight.
 +    * Backing up /home, /etc, /var, and /root on Bud to /rsnapshot on Budlight.
 +    * /rsnapshot is 100 GB volume on disk array.
 +  * Power outage at Hostirian on 5/21.
 +    * Jeff Muse had to go in to revive Budlight.
 +    * Budlight was inaccessible about 18 hours.
 +      * Due to flaky NIC, which we then swapped out.
   * Lee will install (and document) Webalizer on Bud, to gather web stats.   * Lee will install (and document) Webalizer on Bud, to gather web stats.
   * Partitions on Bud are getting full.   * Partitions on Bud are getting full.
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       * Considering using an LVM partition for some users.       * Considering using an LVM partition for some users.
   * Jeff installed Solaris 10 on the remaining E250.   * Jeff installed Solaris 10 on the remaining E250.
 +    * Available at bock.sluug.org
 +    * Contact Jeff Muse (jmuse) for accounts/​access.
     * Ran into mirroring issues, due to disk sizes.     * Ran into mirroring issues, due to disk sizes.
     * Other E250 has been parted out and sold off.     * Other E250 has been parted out and sold off.
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       * On a subdomain, such as users.sluug.org       * On a subdomain, such as users.sluug.org
   * Steve Smith (from Solaris SIG) offered a 36 GB drive to install in one of the Netras.   * Steve Smith (from Solaris SIG) offered a 36 GB drive to install in one of the Netras.
-  * MAY ACTION ITEM: Gary - Clean up home directory on Bud. 
-  * :?: Anything new? 
-  * Major power outage at Hostorian 
-  *  
- 
-====== SLUUG Server Management ====== 
-  * Backups 
   * Work left to do:   * Work left to do:
     * Make sure docs are up to date.     * Make sure docs are up to date.
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     * Better web site management tools     * Better web site management tools
     * Develop standardized '​Membership List' & same UIDs on all production machines.     * Develop standardized '​Membership List' & same UIDs on all production machines.
-  * :?: Anything new? 
-  *  
  
-====== ​Manage The Group ====== +====== Membership (and Shell Accounts) ====== 
-  * <del> Lee suggested we create a Rails app on Bud to manage the group. </​del>​ +  * Decided ​to post new (and renewing) members' names on front page of web site.
-    * <del> Sponsors - expirations,​ etc. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Member data - payments, expirations,​ etc. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Attendance </​del>​ +
-    * <del> STL Ruby Group is writing a similar application. </​del>​ +
-      * <del> RAMS - Rails Association Management System </​del>​ +
-      * <del> We should leverage that, and guide it to our needs </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Scott Nesler has built an app for attendance </​del>​ +
-      * <del> Stan has plugged data into it for the year </​del>​ +
-      * <del> Not sure if the app fits any of our other needs </​del>​ +
-          * <del> (app is developed on CakePHP MVC architecture). ​   </​del>​ +
-          * <del> Member Payment, expiration would be simple addition to existing table/​screens. </​del> ​    +
-          * <del> CRUD functionality simplifies expanding the application with additional tables. </​del>​ +
-          * <del> Compartmentalization of CSS and layout templates simplifies changes to the look and feel. </​del>​ +
-  * :?: Anything new? +
-  *  +
- +
-====== Increase Sponsorships ====== +
-  * <del> Made changes to web site to promote Hostirian. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> As requested by Hostirian, in response to their hosting sponsorship. </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Tony Lovasco will look into getting some sponsorships. </​del>​ +
-  * :?: Anything new? +
-  *  +
- +
-====== Increase ​Membership (and Shell Accounts) ====== +
-  * <del> Craig had a discussion with Jim Leingang about membership, and got several suggestions. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Assign small task to more members, so they feel more a part of the organization. </​del>​ +
-      * <del> For example, have someone ​new every month doing sign-in sheets ​and new user contact. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Reward good behaviors. </​del>​ +
-      * <del> Awards at the end of the year. </​del>​ +
-      * <del> Provide incentives (like door prizesfor people who bring in new members. </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Membership drive </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Need to print out name tags. </​del>​ +
-      * <del> Omnitec will print them out and bring to SLUUG meeting. </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Cafe Press merchandise </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Carl/​SLUUG/​Lee need to reconcile demo merchandise </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Lee has proposed to sell pizzas as fund-raiser if continued insufficient Memberships & Sponsors. </​del>​ +
-  * <del> NEW MEMBERS FOR MAY: </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Terry Wall - SILVER </​del>​ +
-    * <del> John Gilster - SILVER </​del>​ +
-  * NEW MEMBERS FOR JUNE: +
-    * :?: Any? +
-  * :?: Anything new? +
-  *  +
- +
-====== Increase Attendance ====== +
-  * <del> Gary suggests we discuss why the #s on the general meeting and STLLUG are so low! </​del>​ +
-    * <del> What can be done to return them to more traditional values? </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Also relate to subscriptions to ANNOUNCE</​del>​ +
-    * <del> Gary suggests we talk about what can be done about the declining subscriptions to ANNOUNCE. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> A ~20% drop in 18 months! ​ (And it was over 1000...when?​) </​del>​ +
-  * <del> Craig gave away a stuffed penguin as a door prize. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Had stated that whoever brought the most (new, returning) people to STLLUG meeting. </​del>​ +
-    * <del> Tony Z won the penguin, bringing his Linux class to the meeting. </​del>​ +
-  * :?: Anything new? +
-  * +
  
 ====== SLACC ====== ====== SLACC ======
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     * Expires in August 2009.     * Expires in August 2009.
   * Noel asked that we allow current email users to keep their SLACC.COM email addresses.   * Noel asked that we allow current email users to keep their SLACC.COM email addresses.
-  * MAY ACTION ITEM: Carl, Gary - Transfer and renew SLACC.COM domain. 
-  * :?: Anything new? 
-  *  
- 
-====== STLLUG ====== 
-  * MAY ACTION ITEM: Gary - Update STLLINUX.ORG to show 3 names in WHOIS data. 
-  * :?: Anything new? 
-  *  
- 
-====== STCLUG ====== 
-  * Scott Nesler purchased and donated STCLUG.ORG domain. 
-  * Gary renewed STCLUG.ORG domain. 
-  * Craig added to Apache configuration,​ so it now runs off our servers properly. 
-  * Craig will add DNS records on our EveryDNS account. 
-  * Gary needs to create DNS records in EveryDNS and point the domain at EveryDNS. 
-    * Currently pointing at GoDaddy parking page. 
-  * MAY ACTION ITEM: Gary - Point STCLUG.ORG domain registrar to EveryDNS name servers. 
-  * :?: Anything new? 
-  *  
- 
-====== StlWebDev ====== 
-  * <del> Mailing lists have been set up. </​del>​ 
-  * <del> Web site has been recovered from old server. </​del>​ 
-    * <del> Needs to be pruned - 250 MB. </​del>​ 
-    * <del> Needs to be published. </​del>​ 
-  * :?: Anything new? 
-  *  
- 
-====== Other Old Business ====== 
-  * MAY ACTION ITEM: Lee - Ask Sammie to bring past (and current) presentation to us on thumb drive. 
-  * :?: Any? 
-  *  
- 
-====== New Business ====== 
-  * :?: Any? 
-  *  
- 
-====== Blue Sky ====== 
-  * :?: Any? 
-  *  
  
 ====== Recognize Useful Effort ====== ====== Recognize Useful Effort ======
-  * Recognize completed action items. +  * Recognize completed action items, and other useful actions
-  * Recognize who did anything useful+  * Gary and Craig 
-  * <del> MAY - Jeff Muse, Jerry Stutteand Carl Fitch installed ​more hardware.</​del>​ +    * Got STCLUG.ORG domain working
-  * :?: Any? +  * Jeff Muse, Lee LammertGary Meyer 
-  ​+    * Added more hardware. 
 +    Brought Budlight back up after power outage.
  
 ====== Follow-up and Action Items ====== ====== Follow-up and Action Items ======
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   * Everyone - Talk to someone about sponsorships.   * Everyone - Talk to someone about sponsorships.
   * Everyone - Talk to someone about giving a presentation.   * Everyone - Talk to someone about giving a presentation.
-  *+  * Gary - Clean up home directory on Bud. 
 +  * Carl, Gary - Transfer and renew SLACC.COM domain. 
 +  * Craig - Update STLLINUX.ORG and SLUUG.ORG to show 3 names in WHOIS data. 
 +  * Craig - Follow up w/ Kyle Cordes about presentations. 
 +  * Craig - Work on presentations. 
 +  * Gary - Point STCLUG.ORG domain registrar to EveryDNS name servers. 
 +  * Lee - Ask Sammie to bring past (and current) presentation to us on thumb drive.
  
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